美國(guó)的STEM危機(jī)：中國(guó)培養(yǎng)的博士數(shù)量翻倍，而我們卻在阻礙人才
AMERICA'S STEM CRISIS: CHINA DOUBLES PHD OUTPUT WHILE WE BLOCK TALENT
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中國(guó)培養(yǎng)的STEM博士數(shù)量是美國(guó)的兩倍，而我們卻拒絕了89%的H1B簽證（特殊專業(yè)人員/臨時(shí)工作簽證）申請(qǐng)。
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Mario Nawfal
AMERICA'S STEM CRISIS: CHINA DOUBLES PHD OUTPUT WHILE WE BLOCK TALENT
美國(guó)的STEM（科學(xué)，技術(shù)，工程，數(shù)學(xué)）危機(jī)：中國(guó)培養(yǎng)的博士數(shù)量翻倍，而我們卻在阻礙人才
The math is brutal: China's producing twice as many STEM PhDs as America, while we reject 89% of H1B visa applications.
算起來有點(diǎn)殘酷：中國(guó)培養(yǎng)的STEM博士數(shù)量是美國(guó)的兩倍，而我們卻拒絕了89%的H1B簽證（特殊專業(yè)人員/臨時(shí)工作簽證）申請(qǐng)。
算起來有點(diǎn)殘酷：中國(guó)培養(yǎng)的STEM博士數(shù)量是美國(guó)的兩倍，而我們卻拒絕了89%的H1B簽證（特殊專業(yè)人員/臨時(shí)工作簽證）申請(qǐng)。
Meanwhile, U.S. teen math scores just hit their lowest since the 1970s, and our semiconductor industry faces a 300,000-engineer shortage by 2030.
與此同時(shí)，美國(guó)青少年的數(shù)學(xué)成績(jī)剛剛跌到了20世紀(jì)70年代以來的最低水平，到2030年，我們的半導(dǎo)體產(chǎn)業(yè)將面臨短缺30萬名工程師的問題。
與此同時(shí)，美國(guó)青少年的數(shù)學(xué)成績(jī)剛剛跌到了20世紀(jì)70年代以來的最低水平，到2030年，我們的半導(dǎo)體產(chǎn)業(yè)將面臨短缺30萬名工程師的問題。
The irony? 45% of U.S. STEM doctorates are earned by foreigners who often can't stay here.
這是不是很有諷刺意味？美國(guó)45%的STEM博士學(xué)位，都是由那些通常不能留在美國(guó)的外國(guó)人獲得的。
這是不是很有諷刺意味？美國(guó)45%的STEM博士學(xué)位，都是由那些通常不能留在美國(guó)的外國(guó)人獲得的。
Instead of keeping this talent, we're forcing them home to competitors like China, which just doubled down on tech education.
我們沒能留住這些人才，反而迫使他們回到像中國(guó)這樣的競(jìng)爭(zhēng)對(duì)手那里，而中國(guó)最近還加大了科技教育方面的投入。
我們沒能留住這些人才，反而迫使他們回到像中國(guó)這樣的競(jìng)爭(zhēng)對(duì)手那里，而中國(guó)最近還加大了科技教育方面的投入。
Maybe it's time for another Sputnik moment—before China's STEM supremacy becomes our tech industry's sunset.
也許在中國(guó)的STEM霸權(quán)讓我們的科技產(chǎn)業(yè)成為夕陽(yáng)產(chǎn)業(yè)之前，是時(shí)候迎來另一個(gè)斯普特尼克時(shí)刻了。
（斯普特尼克時(shí)刻：蘇聯(lián)發(fā)射第一顆人造地球衛(wèi)星-斯普特尼克1號(hào)，擊敗美國(guó)率先進(jìn)入太空。美國(guó)認(rèn)識(shí)到自己受到威脅和挑戰(zhàn)。）
也許在中國(guó)的STEM霸權(quán)讓我們的科技產(chǎn)業(yè)成為夕陽(yáng)產(chǎn)業(yè)之前，是時(shí)候迎來另一個(gè)斯普特尼克時(shí)刻了。
（斯普特尼克時(shí)刻：蘇聯(lián)發(fā)射第一顆人造地球衛(wèi)星-斯普特尼克1號(hào)，擊敗美國(guó)率先進(jìn)入太空。美國(guó)認(rèn)識(shí)到自己受到威脅和挑戰(zhàn)。）
Source: NAEP Data, Fortune
資料來源：《財(cái)富》雜志，美國(guó)國(guó)家教育進(jìn)展評(píng)估數(shù)據(jù)。
資料來源：《財(cái)富》雜志，美國(guó)國(guó)家教育進(jìn)展評(píng)估數(shù)據(jù)。
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If we make American kids do Asian curriculum/structure, our American kids might struggle. Asian parents make their kids study all day if they have to and are expected to be successful.
如果我們讓美國(guó)孩子學(xué)習(xí)亞洲那套課程/體系，我們美國(guó)的孩子可能會(huì)很吃力。如果有必要的話，亞洲的父母會(huì)讓他們的孩子學(xué)習(xí)一整天，并希望他們能取得成功。
Asian household expectations are very high to be honest.
說實(shí)話，亞洲家庭對(duì)孩子的期望值非常高。
Typical American Household dont prioritize STEM in their household. Asian household however make their kids go do extra math and science classes and tutoring and do homework while other kids go to the park and play. all about how you were raised and influenced into by parents
典型的美國(guó)家庭并不會(huì)優(yōu)先考慮STEM專業(yè)。然而，亞洲家庭會(huì)送他們的孩子去上額外的數(shù)學(xué)和科學(xué)補(bǔ)習(xí)班，還要輔導(dǎo)做作業(yè)，而其他小孩則會(huì)去公園玩耍。這一切都與父母如何撫養(yǎng)和影響子女息息相關(guān)。
I'm not for infinity immigration but here's the thing native westerners are not reproducing and they're not studying.
我并不支持無限制的移民，但事情是這樣的，當(dāng)?shù)匚鞣饺思葲]有生育，也沒有努力學(xué)習(xí)。
The next propaganda piece should be about how Iran is outpacing America in STEM education
下一篇宣傳文章應(yīng)該是關(guān)于伊朗如何在STEM教育領(lǐng)域超過美國(guó)的。
Are universities accepting these foreign students because they test higher or because they don't need scholarships or grants & they pay full tuition? If the latter, maybe it's time to start supporting universities at the federal level again.
大學(xué)招收這些國(guó)際學(xué)生，是因?yàn)樗麄兛荚嚦煽?jī)更好，還是因?yàn)樗麄儫o需獎(jiǎng)學(xué)金或助學(xué)金，而且全額支付學(xué)費(fèi)？如果是后者，那也許是時(shí)候重新開始從聯(lián)邦層面上支持大學(xué)了。
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It’s the $$ Their country pays Its been like this for at least 50 year’s American Universities are proud of educating the world
這是由他們國(guó)家出的錢。這種情況至少有50年了，美國(guó)大學(xué)一直以教育世界為榮。
We dont have time for those racist things! We need to teach gender fluidity and that speech is violence, that white people, especially the males are the root of all evil! How can we fit that useless stuff in?
我們沒時(shí)間搞那些種族主義的事情！我們需要教授性別的流動(dòng)性、語(yǔ)言就是暴力等議題，還有白人，尤其男性才是萬惡之源！我們?cè)趺窗堰@些無用的東西灌輸進(jìn)去呢？
How many of China’s talent is imported?
有多少中國(guó)的人才是引進(jìn)的？
Why have there been half a million tech layoffs in the last 3 years if that’s true?
如果這是真的，那為什么在過去的三年里解雇了50萬技術(shù)人員呢？
Because the workers wanted salaries that keep up with inflation. They have student loans to repay.
因?yàn)楣ば诫A層希望工資能夠跟上通貨膨脹。他們還得償還學(xué)生貸款。
America is just a factory for silicon valley now, it doesn't matter what country you're from
現(xiàn)在美國(guó)只不過是硅谷的工廠，不管你來自哪個(gè)國(guó)家。
So fix the education system and have an 8 year time limit on this proposal.
所以趕緊修復(fù)教育系統(tǒng)吧，并且對(duì)這個(gè)提案設(shè)定8年的時(shí)間限制。
America First means putting Americans first, If there’s a problem with our culture, it can’t be solved by bringing in a bunch of cow worshipping Indians
美國(guó)優(yōu)先意味著要把美國(guó)人放在首位。如果我們的文化出現(xiàn)問題的話，僅靠引入一群崇拜牛的印度人是解決不了這個(gè)問題的。
Don't worry about that, they'll all be replaced by AI within 20 years.
放心好了，在未來的20年內(nèi)，它們都會(huì)被人工智能取代掉。
Some Americans are delusional
某些美國(guó)人有妄想癥。
I agree with most all of this statement except that America rejects “89%” of H1B applications. In reality lazy gov employees are probably approving more visa’s than denying. Approving a visa is easy and no one will complain. Denying takes a lot more work.
除了89%的H1B申請(qǐng)被美國(guó)拒簽之外，我基本同意大部分觀點(diǎn)。不過實(shí)際上懶惰的政府工作人員可能更愿意批準(zhǔn)更多的簽證，而不是拒簽。因?yàn)榕鷾?zhǔn)簽證比較容易，沒有誰(shuí)會(huì)抱怨。而否決則需要付出更多的工作量才能處理完畢。
U.S. doesn’t pay PhDs nearly enough which is why no American wants to go after that degree. Foreigners see it as a ticket to the U.S.
美國(guó)給博士的薪水遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)不夠，這就是沒有美國(guó)人愿意攻讀博士學(xué)位的原因。外國(guó)人卻把它當(dāng)成通往美國(guó)的門票。
Get real 48% of all stem graduates in the US are foreign born over 50% return to their own country There’s no room for American STEM students and you want more H1B ? Are you an American?
在美國(guó)，有48%的STEM畢業(yè)生是在國(guó)外出生的，其中超過50%的人回到了他們自己的國(guó)家，這讓美國(guó)的STEM學(xué)生幾乎沒有空間，你還想要更多的H1B簽證嗎？你真的是美國(guó)人嗎？
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China has 4 times as many people and it produces twice as many STEM PhDs. We are still ahead by a factor of 2. What am I missing?
中國(guó)的人口數(shù)量是美國(guó)的四倍，他們培養(yǎng)出來的STEM博士數(shù)量是美國(guó)的兩倍。我們?nèi)匀活I(lǐng)先兩倍。我到底錯(cuò)過了什么？
To clarify , we are ahead by a factor of 2 per capita. And we have H1B program that China doesn’t have. We bring in many more via this program. What is the number where we’re going to say “that’s enough”.
澄清一下，在人均方面我們?nèi)匀活I(lǐng)先兩倍。我們有中國(guó)沒有的H1B項(xiàng)目，我們通過這個(gè)項(xiàng)目吸引更多的優(yōu)秀人才。那么，我們說的“夠了” 的數(shù)字是多少呢？
We educate some of them and send them right back... we are exporting our expertise.
我們教育了他們中的一些人，然后馬上把他們送回去……我們實(shí)際上是在輸出我們的專業(yè)知識(shí)。
The US department of education has done a bang up job.
美國(guó)教育部做了一件很了不起的工作。
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This was a country that in WW2 turned Iowa farm boys into aircraft mechanics and Alabama sharecroppers into bomber crews. We didn’t complain our inability to import German mechanics. We just did what was needed. So what do we do now.
二戰(zhàn)期間，這個(gè)國(guó)家把愛荷華州的農(nóng)場(chǎng)小子培養(yǎng)成飛機(jī)機(jī)械師，把阿拉巴馬州的佃農(nóng)培養(yǎng)成轟炸機(jī)機(jī)組成員。當(dāng)時(shí)我們并沒有抱怨無法引進(jìn)德國(guó)的機(jī)械師，我們只是做了該做的事。那么現(xiàn)在我們要做什么呢？
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China faces a stampede of graduates every year and competition for jobs gets tougher and tougher. Their local companies have a luxury of sexting the best of the best within a large pool of talent. Other countries in Asia are the same as well therefore is getting very competitive in the job market.
每年中國(guó)都面臨著大批畢業(yè)生涌入就業(yè)市場(chǎng)，就業(yè)競(jìng)爭(zhēng)越來越激烈的問題。他們本土的公司可以從龐大的人才庫(kù)中挑選最優(yōu)秀的人才。在亞洲其他國(guó)家也同樣如此，因此就業(yè)市場(chǎng)上的競(jìng)爭(zhēng)異常激烈。
盡管心理健康正受到更多的關(guān)注，結(jié)果并不是生活的全部，但大多數(shù)人仍然相信，接受教育取得學(xué)位/取得博士學(xué)位是在現(xiàn)實(shí)生活中取得成功的第一步。
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“ CHINA INVESTS IN THEIR OWN PEOPLE, AMERICA DOESNT AND INSTEAD IMPORTS H-1BS”
中國(guó)投資他們自己的人民，美國(guó)不投資，而是通過H1B簽證引進(jìn)人才。
Another profession I’m seeing lots of not American born is the medical field. Especially the doctors.
我看到很多非美國(guó)出生人士的另一個(gè)熱門職業(yè)就是醫(yī)療領(lǐng)域，尤其是醫(yī)生。
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Immigration is not the answer. At best its a bandaid.
移民并不是解決問題的辦法，充其量只能算個(gè)創(chuàng)可貼。
It's concerning to see such a significant disparity in STEM PhD production between the U.S. and China. Addressing this issue might require not only reforming visa policies to retain international talent but also enhancing STEM education from an early age to cultivate domestic talent. The future of our tech industry hangs in the balance!
令人擔(dān)憂的是，在STEM博士培養(yǎng)方面美國(guó)和中國(guó)之間存在如此巨大的差距，如果想要解決這一問題，不僅需要改革簽證政策以留住國(guó)際人才，還要從小開始加強(qiáng)STEM教育，以培養(yǎng)國(guó)內(nèi)的人才。我們科技產(chǎn)業(yè)的未來前途未卜。
America needs to wake up!
美國(guó)需要覺醒了。
So China’s H1Bs are outperforming?? Oh wait, they just don’t poison their citizens through garbage food, zap motivation through welfare statism, and have people go to school to waste years of their lives and get into debt for degrees that have no demand.
所以中國(guó)的H1B簽證要更勝一籌？哦等等，他們只是不會(huì)通過垃圾食品來毒害他們的公民，也不會(huì)通過福利國(guó)家主義激發(fā)積極性，讓大家去學(xué)校浪費(fèi)很多年的生命，并為沒啥用的學(xué)位而負(fù)債累累。
My son graduated with an Engineering degree last year from LSU and got numerous calls from companies wanting to hire him. He was able to choose which company was best for him and started out at $75K. The majority of his class (800 +) were foreign students. Trying to understand.
去年我兒子從路易斯安那州立大學(xué)畢業(yè)，并獲得了工程學(xué)位。他接到了多家公司的招聘電話，都希望雇傭他。他可以挑選最適合自己的公司，而且起薪7.5萬美元。他們同一屆的800多個(gè)同學(xué)，大部分都是外國(guó)學(xué)生。這一點(diǎn)明白了吧。
China has a low student debt rate compared to the US, and students typically graduate with less debt than their American peers. Universities are free in Germany
與美國(guó)相比，中國(guó)學(xué)生的負(fù)債率比較低，畢業(yè)時(shí)中國(guó)學(xué)生的債務(wù)通常比他們的美國(guó)同齡人要少。而德國(guó)大學(xué)基本上都是免費(fèi)的。
We keep many brilliant international PhDs through visas or citizenship, but the priority should be on America's own. We need to boost our domestic STEM education and upskill our workforce to meet our needs. We can't keep screwing over our own people for foreigners.
通過簽證或公民身份，我們留住了許多優(yōu)秀的國(guó)際博士，但應(yīng)該優(yōu)先考慮美國(guó)自己的本土人才。我們需要加強(qiáng)國(guó)內(nèi)的STEM教育，提高我們的勞動(dòng)力技能，以滿足我們的需求，我們不能為了外國(guó)人而不停欺負(fù)自己的人民。
So what ? America is a white nation and we have to prioritize our white people. Getting more H1B hires to replace white people isn't the way to go. Indians and other smart people need to stay in their OWN countries to develop them. America is a white nation, not a corporation that needs to focus on profits.
那又怎樣？美國(guó)是一個(gè)白人國(guó)家，我們必須優(yōu)先考慮我們的白人群體，雇傭更多H1B外籍員工來取代本地白人并不是解決之道。印度人及其他聰明的人才應(yīng)該留在它們的國(guó)家去發(fā)展它們自己。美國(guó)是一個(gè)白人國(guó)家，而不是一家需要關(guān)注利潤(rùn)的公司。
Wow China must be importing infinity H1b visas to be able to do that...
哇，看來中國(guó)一定是引進(jìn)了無數(shù)的H1b簽證才能做到這一點(diǎn)吧。
This is a worrying trend. We need to invest in education and attract top STEM talent to maintain our competitive edge.
這是一個(gè)令人擔(dān)憂的發(fā)展趨勢(shì)。我們需要投資教育，以吸引頂尖的STEM人才，從而保持我們的競(jìng)爭(zhēng)優(yōu)勢(shì)。
Give it a rest, we are tired of hearing about this…. Everyone agrees the current system is broken and not working, it needs to be revamped. When President Trump takes office I trust he will make it better! Just stop talking about all the time….
讓它歇會(huì)兒吧，我們已經(jīng)聽膩了……大家一致同意，現(xiàn)行的體制已經(jīng)崩潰，已經(jīng)不管用了，需要重新改造。我相信特朗普總統(tǒng)上臺(tái)后，他會(huì)做得更好。別老提這些了。
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Yeah, fuck the kids it's their fault for not learning....
是啊，該死的小孩們，這是他們不學(xué)習(xí)的錯(cuò)。
Sounds like a problem with our education system and leadership.
聽起來像是我們的教育體系和領(lǐng)導(dǎo)層的問題。
If the schools would focus on math scores instead of grooming kids to be fags we might have a chance to catch up .
如果學(xué)校把重點(diǎn)放在提高數(shù)學(xué)成績(jī)上，而不是把孩子們培養(yǎng)成同性戀者，我們也許還有機(jī)會(huì)追趕上來。
thats true, the west really needs to get its lads back into the engineering industry, schools should be forced to comply and gender bs ideology should be banned, kids want to build stuff not chop off their bits
沒錯(cuò)，西方確實(shí)需要讓他們年輕的小伙子們回歸工程行業(yè)了，應(yīng)該強(qiáng)制學(xué)校遵守規(guī)矩，而且應(yīng)該禁止性別意識(shí)形態(tài)，孩子們想要的是建造東西，而不是割掉他們的一小部分。
Fortunately, America can make an excellent recovery. We need to transform the public education system.
幸運(yùn)的是，美國(guó)能夠?qū)崿F(xiàn)強(qiáng)勁的復(fù)蘇。但我們確實(shí)需要改革公共教育體系。
Would you rather fly on an airplane designed and built by china or the USA? Would you rather buy a car designed and built by china or the USA? Well, what do you think? USA still has it.
你更愿意乘坐由哪個(gè)國(guó)家設(shè)計(jì)和制造的飛機(jī)，中國(guó)還是美國(guó)？你更愿意購(gòu)買由哪個(gè)國(guó)家設(shè)計(jì)和制造的汽車，中國(guó)還是美國(guó)？好吧，你覺得呢？美國(guó)仍然擁有它的一席之地。
This is absolutely true. I’m working in the semiconductor industry. The dilemma trying to recruit someone from fresh graduate is between sponsorship of less competent local American. This has been the case in past twenty years and is not changing for the better.
這絕對(duì)是真的，我在半導(dǎo)體行業(yè)工作，要從應(yīng)屆畢業(yè)生中招聘人才時(shí)，總面臨一個(gè)進(jìn)退兩難的局面，那就是要贊助一些能力較差的美國(guó)本地人。在過去的二十年里，情況一直如此，并沒有朝好的方向轉(zhuǎn)變。
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So why are foreign students the majority in many of our STEM programs? We could limit the number by law.
那么，在我們的好多STEM項(xiàng)目中，為什么外國(guó)學(xué)生占大多數(shù)呢？我們可以通過法律來限制數(shù)量。
In 2021 437000 people graduated in stem in the US, if 45 percent left that’s a little less than half. Meaning in two years we have 300000 American graduates
2021年，美國(guó)有43.7萬人畢業(yè)于STEM專業(yè)，如果有45%的人選擇離開，那就不到一半了，也就是說兩年內(nèi)我們將培養(yǎng)30萬名美國(guó)畢業(yè)生。
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China doesn’t import Indians.
中國(guó)不引進(jìn)印度人。
Looks like finally the system education fails.
看來教育系統(tǒng)最終還是失敗了。
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Is China importing immigrants?
中國(guó)在引進(jìn)移民嗎？
Maybe its time to rework our broken education system and focus on AMERICA
也許是時(shí)候改造我們支離破碎的教育系統(tǒng)，把重點(diǎn)放回到美國(guó)身上了。
White American math scores are extremely high. Same or better than east asian. America is being dragged down by low iq black and brown people as evidenced by the PISA scores. Indians have an avg iq of iq of 78 but usa wants its gudjrati indian high iq pop to replc whites.
美國(guó)白人的數(shù)學(xué)成績(jī)非常好，甚至與東亞國(guó)家相當(dāng)或更好。而低智商的黑人和棕色人種拖累了整個(gè)美國(guó)，從PISA（國(guó)際學(xué)生評(píng)估項(xiàng)目）的成績(jī)就可以看出來了。印度人的平均智商只有78，但美國(guó)偏偏想讓那些高智商的印度人來取代白人。
We don't care if "China beats us". We are not in a race with China. We want a predominantly white country.
我們根本不在乎“中國(guó)是否打敗了美國(guó)”。我們并不是在跟中國(guó)競(jìng)爭(zhēng)，我們只是想要一個(gè)以白人為主的國(guó)家。
Disturbing and detrimental to real Americans. Positions like this are fanning the flames of white collective thinking and movements.
對(duì)真正的美國(guó)人民來說，既令人不安又有害。這樣的立場(chǎng)是在煽動(dòng)白人集體思想與運(yùn)動(dòng)的激情。
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So in others words, the previous leaders of this country have been failing constantly. The only thing they are successful is been crooked and destroy the USA.
換句話說，這個(gè)國(guó)家的前任領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人一直處于失敗之中。他們唯一成功的，就是扭曲和摧毀了美國(guó)。
Wonder if the decline in math scores has anything to do with the DEI policies in every part of our lives? Of course it does. We all can't be smart so we all have to be stupid.
想知道數(shù)學(xué)成績(jī)下降，是不是跟我們生活中各個(gè)方面的DEI（多元、平等、包容）平權(quán)政策有關(guān)？當(dāng)然有關(guān)了，我們不可能都很聰明，所以我們必須都很愚蠢。
It’s time to get our education system back on track. Fire all DEI hires and kill the woke crap, demand and reward excellence and the problem will fix itself.
是時(shí)候讓我們的教育系統(tǒng)重新走上正軌了。解雇所有的DEI員工，消滅那些覺醒后的垃圾，要求獎(jiǎng)勵(lì)優(yōu)秀的人才，那么問題自然就會(huì)迎刃而解了。
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We shouldn't push out talent. We also need to grow our own. The U.S. education system requires a major revamp.
我們絕不能排擠人才，我們還要培養(yǎng)自己的人才。美國(guó)的教育體系必須進(jìn)行重大改革。